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Another clue to the mystery of the “Princes”?

On the left is Gipping Chapel in Suffolk, attached to the Tyrrell property of Gipping Hall. It is a traGippingChapeldition within the Tyrrell family that the “Princes”, the sons of Edward IV who were technically children, lived there during 1483-4 “with the permission of the mother”

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To the right is St. Nicholas of Myra, the 4th Century Bishop who is the patron saint of children, inter alia. He survived Diocletian’s persecution to take office under Constantine and die of old age. Gipping Chapel was dedicated to him.

So what is he trying to tell us about them?

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8 thoughts on “Another clue to the mystery of the “Princes”?

  1. Gipping is a lovely, atmospheric place, which has had no small influence on my writing. Two things that struck me most when I visited were the inscription around the vestry door – ‘Pray for Sr James Tirell & Dame Anne his wyf’ – and their entwined initials set in flint all around the exterior. These never struck me as the acts of a man who might have caused harm to two young boys.

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  2. Reblogged this on The Order of the White Boar and commented:
    One of the enduring ‘rumours’ regarding the fate of the so-called ‘princes in the Tower’ (the two sons of King Edward IV who were not seem in public (supposedly) after the late summer of 1483, is that they lived for a time at the estate of Sir James Tyrrell, master of King Richard’s henchmen (his squires and suchlike), at Gipping, Suffolk.
    Here a fellow blogger draws an inference from the dedication of the chapel at Gipping, which was built by Sir James and is decorated by, among other things, his initial entwined with that of his wife, Anne, in a heart shape. There is also an inscription over the vestry door: ‘Pray for Sr James Tirell & Dame Anne his wyf.’
    Other, less pleasant tales, have been told about Sir James. But these declarations of love and piety don’t seem to me to be the acts of a man who could cause the worst of harms to two young boys.

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  3. I think that the tradition in the Tyrrell family said that the Princes had been at Gipping with their mother with the” permission of the uncle”. The family assumed that it meant that James Tyrrell had been responsible for their deaths so they didn’t speak about. Audrey Williamson, when she was writing her book the” Mystery of the Princes”, spoke to a member of the family who told her the story. She re-assured them that it probably meant that the Princes had been at Gipping but the fact that they were with their mother and with Richard’s permission probably meant that they were on their way to safety as Gipping is not far from the East coast of England where they would have been able to get on a ship to take them to Burgundy.

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  4. blancsanglier on said:

    I thought the boys lived at Gipping with their mother “by permission of their uncle” ?

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  5. Stephanie Fagan on said:

    Oral history is powerful. I’m mindful of the rumour in my husband’s family of Native American ancestors. It was poohpoohed by the 19th and 20th century relatives for various reasons but was finally proven beyond the shadow of a doubt when one of his younger cousins found proof positive while conducting genealogical research…on the Shawnee side! And the heritage was substantive and substantial. Fascinating and wonderful. I discount almost nothing when it comes to oral history until proven otherwise.

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  6. miniminisnell on said:

    Having just finished Matthew Lewis’ new book on the subject, I can hazard a guess!

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