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SIR WILLIAM STANLEY – TURNCOAT OR LOYALIST

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It is well documented how, through the treasonable and treacherous actions of Sir William Stanley at Bosworth, Richard lost his crown and his life. He was hacked to death after Stanley, who brought 3000 men with him, intervened at the crucial point when Richard, with his household cavalry in a heroic charge, came within a hair’s breadth of reaching Tudor and despatching him.  There is a story that after Richard’s crown was found under a hawthorn bush, it was Stanley who crowned him.

Sir William seems to have been one of those people who can run with the hounds and play with the foxes, doing well under Edward IV, who made him Chamberlain of Chester and, interestingly, Steward of the Prince of Wales’ Household(1).  Later Richard made Stanley Chief Justice of North Wales and finally Tudor made him Lord Chamberlain and Knight of the Garter.  It is said that Stanley – step-uncle to Tudor and brother-in-law to Margaret Beaufort – was one of the richest men in England.  Bacon estimated his income at 3000 pounds a year.  Stanley was also step-father to Francis Lovell, having married Lovell’s mother, Joan Beaufort, widow of John Lovell, 8th Baron Lovell, but I digress!

Fast forward 10 years and it all ended ignominiously at Tower Hill, where Stanley was beheaded on 16 February 1495 for the treasonable act of communicating with Perkin Warbeck.  Stanley was accused of telling Robert Clifford, who informed on him, that if he was sure Perkin was indeed Edward’s son ‘he would never take up arms against him’.

The question I am raising here is not so much about Stanley’s interminable fence-sitting, which is common knowledge  – and a penchant he shared with his brother Thomas – but rather, did Sir William, an apparent dyed-in-the-wool turncoat, capable of the greatest untrustworthiness, actually possess a latent streak of honour, perhaps dating from the time when he was Steward to the Princes of Wales’ Household?  Did his time there give birth to a fierce loyalty to Edward’s sons, that later emerged with such a passion that he risked all, absolutely all,  when he joined the Perkin Warbeck plot?  Did he grow fond of young Edward, later focusing this affection on Edward’s brother, Richard of Shrewsbury, whom Warbeck purported to be?  OR, was he, as the historian Gairdner (2) suggested, merely attempting to secure his position in the event of an invasion?

(1)  Ramsay, Lancaster and York, ii 482

(2) W A J Archbold ‘Sir William Stanley and Perkin Warbeck’ English Historical Review 14( 1899) pp 529-534. ‘On 14 March (year unknown) Gairdner suggested in a note to Archbold that Stanley may ‘simply have wanted to secure his position with both sides in case of an invasion’.  I am grateful for this information which I have gleaned from Helen Maurer’s ‘Whodunit – The Suspects in the Case’.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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20 thoughts on “SIR WILLIAM STANLEY – TURNCOAT OR LOYALIST

  1. This is a common confusion with his brother, who certainly was duplicitous. Sir William was a loyal Yorkist all his life and the historical facts support this. The idea that he came in on the side of Tudor at Bosworth is popular and convenient history, but I believe it was the opposite, a blunder where he was actually coming to the king’s aid. The problem was the king and his men had no way of pausing the battle while they had a conference. His support for the man known as Perkin Warbeck, who he believed to be Richard of York, is consistent with his abiding loyalties to York. He died in the Yorkist cause.

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  2. viscountessw on said:

    Good post that presents a poser. Did Sir William really believe in Edward IV’s Woodville marriage and therefore that Richard III was a vile usurper? Usurper? Richard was the rightful king, full stop. So I’m afraid I cannot forget or forgive Stanley actions at Bosworth. I’m just too biased against both brothers to credit them with any nobility of purpose. Sir William was a chancer and seized that chance, knowing that his brother would be the new king’s father-in-law. Plump rewards might come his way. I’ll bet he thought so. Later, when he sneaked on Henry, I think you’re right, he was hedging his bets. I simply cannot credit Sir William Stanley with any honour whatsoever. I guess the plump rewards weren’t plump enough for him…

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  3. sparkypus on said:

    If it was indeed a ‘blunder’ on Sir William’s side as Richard Unwin suggests and that he was ‘actually coming to the king’s aid’ then he must have recovered his composure pretty quick in the immediate aftermath of the battle… Mr Unwin is saying that Sir William was not a serial turncoat and that it was his brother who was duplicitous! I would say that for someone who rides into battle to someone’s aid, fails, then does a rapid turnabout to look as if he was doing the exact opposite is in fact the epitome of duplicity.

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    • Sparkypus should realise that the Tudor had declared himself king the day before and thus proclaimed as a traitor everyone in King Richard’s army for attacking him. Sir William had much to lose should he continue supporting the dead king so he would have had no choice but to pretend he had actually come in on the Tudor side. All the other Yorkist lords did exactly that, yet they do not share Sir William’s opprobrium. It wasn’t only Shakespeare who distorted the story.

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  4. David on said:

    I find this article adds to the debate
    http://www.richard111.com/william_stanley__a_yorkist.htm

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    • sparkypus on said:

      Thank you David. This was my intention. If I may reiterate my second note on my article, the eminent historian James Gairdner himself suggested to W A J Archbold ‘Sir William Stanley and Perkin Warbeck’ that Sir William may ‘simply have wanted to secure his position with both sides in case of an invasion’. I think there are grounds for debate regarding Williams intentions and I think to dismiss them out of hand is rather presumptuous.

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  5. halfwit36 on said:

    Emyr Wyn Jones, in ‘A Kinsman King,’ suggests that Stanley may never have intended to come to Henry’s aid (nor Richard’s either). He was simply unable to control his Welsh troops. It’s a viable theory, anyway, and would explain why Henry, if he suspected this, never quite trusted him.

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  6. sparkypus on said:

    you mean just sitting on the fence..awaiting the outcome and then whosoever won..William is your man?

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  7. Esther on said:

    This version of Stanley makes him sound like some accounts of Elizabeth Woodville that I’ve read. After Richard becomes king, Elizabeth W consistently backs Henry — betrothing her eldest daughter to him and leaving sanctuary only after Richard swears an unprecedented public oath — and then years later she (according to Bacon) assists the “feigned boy” in the Simnel matter. Sounds to me that both Elizabeth Woodville and Stanley might have originally believed that Richard killed the princes and then found out later that the boys were killed in the interests of someone else.

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  8. sparkypus on said:

    Good point Esther. Thank you.

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  9. I still like the idea that slimy Thomas had a foot in both camps , and decided to send younger brother William into the Warbeck camp to ensure the Stanley family would come out on top. Only “shock”” horror” it all went so very wrong , leaving Thomas to cover his own rear and leave poor William (he was so sure at the worst Henry would only give him 6 months in the tower )to the axe .

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  10. McArthur, Richard P. on said:

    I did some research on William Stanley some years ago. Contrary to what I had expected, I found that unlike his brother Thomas, William seems to have always turned out for the Yorkists.
    Also-he did not join the Warbeck plot. The words quoted in the article were used to condemn him; it seems to have required some legal sophistry to make the charge stick. The attitude he expressed was the Yorkist attitude. Had Warbeck convinced most Yorkists of his identity, they almost certainly would have backed him.

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    • You began by stating you had actually researched Sir William Stanley, which is refreshing. Anyone who does so immediately has difficulty with the traditional account. The deeper you probe the greater the difficulty. I am presently writing up my reasons and theory regarding William Stanley and his actions. The only thing I will say regarding the Bosworth debacle is this: how could Sir William inform his men they were to commit treason by attacking their anointed king for the sake of a dubious claimant at the head of a foreign invading army? Furthermore, how did he communicate this to his men in the few seconds he had by observing King Richard’s last charge and why didn’t this produce confusion in their ranks? The answer is obvious. They were attacking in support of their king. It was the only command he could give that would be obeyed by every man there. Accusations of treason, mainly from George Stanley, Lord Thomas’ son, had unsettled the minds of the king and his household knights such that they turned to meet what they thought was a threat. The confusion was enough to let the Tudor supporters isolate and kill the king. It was a military blunder, of which there are many other examples throughout history. As for the Warbeck business, I think I have worked that out but I shall remain silent for the moment, having yet to firm up my investigation.

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      • skiinglady on said:

        I think your theory is certainly plausible but like many others in this debate probably unprovable. It is likely we will never know what was in their minds during those moments of panic. It is probably true that the tudor myth of mass betrayal on the battle field will be shown to be inaccurate as there may be alternative explanations for Stanley and northumberlands behaviour. So much of any countries future depends on a few minutes………

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  11. You are correct when you say events at this period are probably unprovable, which goes for the established tale too. However, there is such a thing as circumstantial evidence. This is not necessarily bad evidence, but it does require comparison to a whole series of events to see if there is a plausible and consistent connection. I would say that an investigation run on these lines is much more likely to get somewhere nearer to the truth of the matter rather than a simple acceptance of a superficial but familiar report based wholly on prejudice. The problem is that when someone has declared themselves in favour of a storyline, (such as RIII being a hump-backed villain and child murderer) we often find in them a reluctance to accept any other version. They tend to attack anything that argues to the contrary. Those of us who are Ricardians know this only too well, though even amongst us there are those who are reluctant to consider any evidence that contradicts them. We all love to have someone to blame and hate when things do not suit us and Sir William fits this bill very nicely for Ricardians. I suppose we might call it the Trump effect. However, there is no sensible reason why the idea of Sir William actually coming to the king’s rescue should fill us with anything other than sorrow that his blunder had such a tragic result.

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    • David on said:

      A while ago, a member of a Bosworth FB page reported that Thomas Stanley had signed a great many legal documents at Lathom shortly before the battle. This was used to question whether he could even have been at the Battle. However, assuming these to be enfeoffments, it tends to indicate that he really did have urgent business.

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    • Esther Sorkin on said:

      Wasn’t there a sort-of-similar problem at the Battle of Barnet where Lancastrians blundered by attacking Oxford’s forces (even though Oxford was on their side and coming to help) because they mistook his battle standard for that of Edward IV?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Barnet#Fighting_in_the_mist

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    • It’s not that difficult to reason out. If Richard had been severely malformed, he wouldn’t have been able to wear a suit of armour, let alone fight in one. If he’d been a child-killer, he’d have executed more people tha he did. His actions, although in acordance with the late fifteenth century, were quite coordinated and controlled, I think.

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    • I like this theory, Richard, but wasn’t William under attainder by Richard? Was this just Strange’s story-telling, or had he really colluded with Tudor?

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