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Here it is, in black and white …

Many of you will remember this post from before Christmas, about the “Lincoln Roll”, supposedly compiled for the Earl of Lincoln but clearly updated at least twenty-six years after his death, to cover his brother’s execution:

In it, you will note that Dr. Ashdown-Hill corrects a troll, who claimed that it showed Edward IV’s elder sons both died in childhood (“iunie“, which means something else), demonstrating that the Roll actually used the term “iuve” (short for “iuventute” or “in his youth”).

So what exactly is meant, in either the classical or late Mediaeval era, by “youth”? According to A Latin-English Dictionary (1868, ed W. Smith) , this is between the ages of twenty and forty, which seems reasonable. Richard of Shrewsbury, Edward IV’s middle son, the sometime Duke of York and (in jure uxoris) of Norfolk, was born on 24 August 1473. “Perkin Warbeck”, who may well have been Richard of Shrewsbury, died on 23 November 1499 at Tyburn, in the presence of several witnesses.

So the Roll, whichever de la Pole it was actually compiled for, which I think we can deduce, is wholly consistent with “Perkin” being who he claimed to be.

Juventus FC, most of whose players are aged between 20 and 40

Juventus FC, most of whose players are aged between 20 and 40

"Perkin Warbeck" who, if he was Richard of Shrewsbury, died at 26.

“Perkin Warbeck” who, if he was Richard of Shrewsbury, died at 26.

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7 thoughts on “Here it is, in black and white …

  1. I love the football reference!


  2. David on said:

    I think you should look at the article again. The Latin word meaning “in his youth” does not appear in Richard ‘s medallion. It only says “also died without issue”. So even if your interpretation of youth is correct. What Richard’s medallion says is wholly inconsistent with the known life of Perkin Warbeck, who married and had at least one child. An own goal?


    • The source of the “Lincoln” Roll, of course, was after 1513, unless it was by a psychic who foretold Edmund of Suffolk’s execution 26 years in advance. By which time “Perkin”‘s child had been forgotten about, which was one of “Tudor”‘s objectives.
      We do recognise your greater expertise at own goals, such that UEFA awarded you their Golden Foot-in-Mouth more than once for also:
      Catherine de Valois speaking in Parliament after her death when no woman, save a Queen Regnant from 1553, could have addressed Parliament until Viscountess Astor in 1923.
      Bishop Leslie of Ross witnessing “Perkin”‘s confession letters, years before he was born.


      • The reference to “June” was already contradicted by the Croyland Chronicle which clearly refers to both “Princes” as being alive in September 1483.

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